bhagwad · Dec 23, 2011, 04:50 AM // 04:50

What can we REALLY take advantage of during Wintersday? Like if you take the Cantha festivals, we get the rare opportunity to get some cheap lucky/unlucky points via nine rings. We can't do that at any other time of the year.

So is there some similar activity during Wintersday that we simply can't afford to NOT take advantage of?

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Dec 23, 2011, 05:08 AM // 05:08

IMO snowball dominance. Winter's Day is the best for some titles. Boxing another account = hello easy money and much needed sweet/party points. I've got a max survivor title, vanguard title, and sweet tooth title on my second account so far.

bhagwad · Dec 23, 2011, 05:53 AM // 05:53

Could you explain how that works? The "Boxing" bit?

Drop of Fear · Dec 23, 2011, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Snowball dominance with 2 accounts. 1 necro 1 random... approx 480-500gifts 240-250frosty tonics and 24-25k cash per hour.
Oh, and if you're interested in survivor... 120-125.000 xp / hour

WarcryOfTruth · Dec 23, 2011, 07:02 AM // 07:02

Winter Wonderland, if your group is fast, can generate a stack in about 20-25 minutes. This will require runs to be about 1:50-2:10 every time, which is doable for groups. Many more variables than Snowball Dominance though

Shayne Hawke · Dec 23, 2011, 07:18 AM // 07:18

If you're decent, the amount of tournament points you can get out of Snowball tournaments is borderline criminal. Those convert to easy Z-keys.

Martin Alvito · Dec 23, 2011, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

If you're decent, the amount of tournament points you can get out of Snowball tournaments is borderline criminal. Those convert to easy Z-keys.

You don't even have to be decent. Since the player base has declined and more players have figured out how to game the Snowball ATs, beating legitimate competition is no longer necessary to rake in the ZKeys.

_Aphotic_ · Dec 23, 2011, 08:41 AM // 08:41

+1 Snowball Automated Tournaments.

You can do PvE such as Snowball Dominance, or Winter Wonderland.

But NOTHING compares with the rewards of an SAT.
If you get playoffs (top 8), you've just won an easy 150k+ in this market (for simply getting here, you can give up at this point). Congrats. Takes 1-1.5 hours depending on amount of teams entered.
First place gets ~300k in Zkeys for winning.

The biggest problem in getting those 300k rewards though are bot teams, luckily, seldom few exist atm.
Snowball is fun and for PvE'rs

Fluffy Kittens · Dec 23, 2011, 09:16 AM // 09:16

do snowball tournaments, its just way too fun!!

drkn · Dec 23, 2011, 11:29 AM // 11:29

The only problem with SATs and WW is that both require other people and are not newbie-friendly, in terms of getting the most of them. Sure, GW is an MMO game and thus everyone should be socialised at least a little bit with others, sometimes PUGs can be organised, sometimes it's possible to gather over Guru or other site. But still, you need other players, and you kind of depend on their skill.
It's not the case with Snowball Dominance. Albeit arguably slower than good WW teams, you can farm SD on your own, using another account, using a hero or getting an easy PUG with a necro/ranger (lotsa people shouting for the duo in EotN, all the time pretty much), and it's pretty much idiot-proof. It's not the best way of getting money right here and now, though you might easily farm sweets/party/alcohols for your own titles and have some in your chest, waiting until the prices for such things go up a little bit (7~8k for a stack of frosty tonics, aka 500 party points, is laughable right now).

Da Kenster · Dec 23, 2011, 04:09 PM // 16:09

I like doing Snowball Dominance with a hero. It lets me do it at my own pace and I can stop when I need to, which is good when you have two kids you need to chase after periodically. Its the same reason I usually use heroes, so my everyday distractions don't hinder other peoples enjoyment.

Bright Star Shine · Dec 23, 2011, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Do DoA, make armbraces, sell armbraces who are now worth more than usual, make extra profit.

Still beats 6 simmultaneous accounts of snowballing.

bhagwad · Dec 23, 2011, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Do DoA, make armbraces, sell armbraces who are now worth more than usual, make extra profit.

Still beats 6 simmultaneous accounts of snowballing.

But we can do DOA at all time of the year can't we?

Martin Alvito · Dec 23, 2011, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Still beats 6 simmultaneous accounts of snowballing.

If you suck at gaming the system, sure. Think about the structure of the problem some more.

Olle · Dec 23, 2011, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Most Useful Activity on Wintersday?

Go out,make a snowman, be with your family,be with your gf/bf.

mentle mesmer · Dec 24, 2011, 12:30 AM // 00:30

During Wintersday you can rank up in Gamers Title... Which you cant do all year long... farming is crap during xmas cuz as Bright said... you can farm money in DoA and end up with more money (for which you can buy all your money titles) then if you would farm them yourself...

DoA = 100k/h or so depending on drops and ecto price...
Snowball Dominance = 100k/2h at most...
Tournament = xxx zkeys if (and its a big if) you manage to get decent players to play with you which I doubt it, with all due respect, because you are still asking how to grind this game for which it is the same answer for the past 2+ years?....

So... if you want pvp title (Gamer) do that... if your all bout pve and maxing titles and having epeen weapons and what not go do DoA and buy your titles in spamadan...

Horace Slughorn · Dec 24, 2011, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Do DoA, make armbraces, sell armbraces who are now worth more than usual, make extra profit.

Still beats 6 simmultaneous accounts of snowballing.

honestly this is usually my advice too for making money during events.

but, having finally got around to doing snowball AT, I think it's definitely a better way to make cash. this is assuming of course, that you have a team consistently able to get into the single elimination round. especially when you add in the gvg zquest on multiple chars/accounts, the keys really add up.

as for what martin's talking about... I prefer to just play the "normal" way, and I'm really ok with the fact that I'm not doing as well as those using other methods.

Missing HB · Dec 24, 2011, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

You don't even have to be decent. Since the player base has declined and more players have figured out how to game the Snowball ATs, beating legitimate competition is no longer necessary to rake in the ZKeys.

This indeed... Snowball At is really fun to play and there's at least little competition between about 6-10 "good" guilds ( depends the group); but there still leaves the problem about time/reward, which is the point of the post and the basis of all problems and inactivity in the game today...

If you lose first playoff you get about 120 points, if you're 9th-15th you get roughly 60, and if you are lower, you get around 20-30...
If you consider the number of people running henchways or using 4-6 sec accounts, you can count how many they do earn by just getting 2/4 or 3/3( something which is really easy considering the number of people asking..), which is as if they were in playoffs....

Then people get into account whats the best to do to get the best profit and this lead to the game today, most organize PvP is inactive, Sb AT's are less competitive than before ( it's still only 10 guilds serious at best upon 60...)...

To answer the Op, i'm just going to say it depends what you have fun with... I don't personnaly think repeating a quest over and over is that fun, so i would suggest to do play Snowball At's( usually there are some guilds looking for players in great temple of balthazar) and to do some quests aside...

Quaker · Dec 24, 2011, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Define "useful". It obviously depends upon what your goals are. I'd say that the most useful thing to do during Wintersday would be to try the various quests and events and see what you like best and/or what best suits your purpose. But mostly, enjoy yourself - isn't that really the most useful activity?

Dec 23, 2011, 04:50 AM // 04:50	#1
bhagwad Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2011 Guild: For Newbies Profession: R/Mo	Most Useful Activity on Wintersday? What can we REALLY take advantage of during Wintersday? Like if you take the Cantha festivals, we get the rare opportunity to get some cheap lucky/unlucky points via nine rings. We can't do that at any other time of the year. So is there some similar activity during Wintersday that we simply can't afford to NOT take advantage of?

Dec 23, 2011, 06:56 AM // 06:56	#4
Drop of Fear Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: W/	Snowball dominance with 2 accounts. 1 necro 1 random... approx 480-500gifts 240-250frosty tonics and 24-25k cash per hour. Oh, and if you're interested in survivor... 120-125.000 xp / hour Last edited by Drop of Fear; Dec 23, 2011 at 07:01 AM // 07:01..

Dec 23, 2011, 08:41 AM // 08:41	#8
_Aphotic_ Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2010 Guild: Muppets Versus Muppets [MvM] Profession: P/A	+1 Snowball Automated Tournaments. You can do PvE such as Snowball Dominance, or Winter Wonderland. But NOTHING compares with the rewards of an SAT. If you get playoffs (top 8), you've just won an easy 150k+ in this market (for simply getting here, you can give up at this point). Congrats. Takes 1-1.5 hours depending on amount of teams entered. First place gets ~300k in Zkeys for winning. The biggest problem in getting those 300k rewards though are bot teams, luckily, seldom few exist atm. Snowball is fun and for PvE'rs Last edited by _Aphotic_; Dec 23, 2011 at 08:43 AM // 08:43..

Dec 24, 2011, 04:45 PM // 16:45	#19
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	Most Useful Activity on Wintersday? Define "useful". It obviously depends upon what your goals are. I'd say that the most useful thing to do during Wintersday would be to try the various quests and events and see what you like best and/or what best suits your purpose. But mostly, enjoy yourself - isn't that really the most useful activity?

Dec 23, 2011, 05:08 AM // 05:08	#2
Porkchop Sandwhiches Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Fishing Village in Wizard's Folly Profession: R/	IMO snowball dominance. Winter's Day is the best for some titles. Boxing another account = hello easy money and much needed sweet/party points. I've got a max survivor title, vanguard title, and sweet tooth title on my second account so far.

Dec 23, 2011, 05:53 AM // 05:53	#3
bhagwad Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2011 Guild: For Newbies Profession: R/Mo	Could you explain how that works? The "Boxing" bit?

Dec 23, 2011, 07:02 AM // 07:02	#5
WarcryOfTruth Site Contributor Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Atlanta Guild: [LIFE] Profession: P/	Winter Wonderland, if your group is fast, can generate a stack in about 20-25 minutes. This will require runs to be about 1:50-2:10 every time, which is doable for groups. Many more variables than Snowball Dominance though

Dec 23, 2011, 07:18 AM // 07:18	#6
Shayne Hawke Departed from Tyria Join Date: May 2007 Guild: Clan Dethryche [dth] Profession: R/	If you're decent, the amount of tournament points you can get out of Snowball tournaments is borderline criminal. Those convert to easy Z-keys.

Dec 23, 2011, 09:16 AM // 09:16	#9
Fluffy Kittens Guest Join Date: Dec 2009	do snowball tournaments, its just way too fun!!

Dec 23, 2011, 11:29 AM // 11:29	#10
drkn Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wroc??aw, Poland Guild: Midnight Mayhem Profession: Me/	The only problem with SATs and WW is that both require other people and are not newbie-friendly, in terms of getting the most of them. Sure, GW is an MMO game and thus everyone should be socialised at least a little bit with others, sometimes PUGs can be organised, sometimes it's possible to gather over Guru or other site. But still, you need other players, and you kind of depend on their skill. It's not the case with Snowball Dominance. Albeit arguably slower than good WW teams, you can farm SD on your own, using another account, using a hero or getting an easy PUG with a necro/ranger (lotsa people shouting for the duo in EotN, all the time pretty much), and it's pretty much idiot-proof. It's not the best way of getting money right here and now, though you might easily farm sweets/party/alcohols for your own titles and have some in your chest, waiting until the prices for such things go up a little bit (7~8k for a stack of frosty tonics, aka 500 party points, is laughable right now).

Dec 23, 2011, 04:09 PM // 16:09	#11
Da Kenster Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: A shoebox Guild: The Boat Crew Profession: W/E	I like doing Snowball Dominance with a hero. It lets me do it at my own pace and I can stop when I need to, which is good when you have two kids you need to chase after periodically. Its the same reason I usually use heroes, so my everyday distractions don't hinder other peoples enjoyment.

Dec 23, 2011, 04:45 PM // 16:45	#12
Bright Star Shine Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Belgium Guild: Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: E/	Do DoA, make armbraces, sell armbraces who are now worth more than usual, make extra profit. Still beats 6 simmultaneous accounts of snowballing.

Dec 23, 2011, 10:14 PM // 22:14	#15
Olle Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ign: Miniature Julia Guild: Teh Academy[PhD] Profession: W/	Most Useful Activity on Wintersday? Go out,make a snowman, be with your family,be with your gf/bf.

Dec 24, 2011, 12:30 AM // 00:30	#16
mentle mesmer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2011	During Wintersday you can rank up in Gamers Title... Which you cant do all year long... farming is crap during xmas cuz as Bright said... you can farm money in DoA and end up with more money (for which you can buy all your money titles) then if you would farm them yourself... DoA = 100k/h or so depending on drops and ecto price... Snowball Dominance = 100k/2h at most... Tournament = xxx zkeys if (and its a big if) you manage to get decent players to play with you which I doubt it, with all due respect, because you are still asking how to grind this game for which it is the same answer for the past 2+ years?.... So... if you want pvp title (Gamer) do that... if your all bout pve and maxing titles and having epeen weapons and what not go do DoA and buy your titles in spamadan...